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winterwolf8601

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List for Battle of the Bulge
« on: January 01, 2017, 12:53:29 AM »
So Now that I'm in for the tournament in 3 weeks I'd like to get everyone's thoughts on a couple of lists I was thinking about for it:

German:

Obvious one first: PzLehr to the Meuse: CV Auto-attack Tank; Everything but Arty spearheads
HQ: 2x PzIVJ, 1x BergePanzer III
4x PzIVJ
4x PzIVJ
4x PzIVJ
Full Gepanzerte Aufklarungs(7x PzFaust/MG, 1x Tankhunter, 5x 250/1)
2x 234/1
3x 15cm Nebs (Reluctant Trained)

Panthers to the Meuse: 2nd Pz Div Auto-attack Tank; Everything but Arty spearheads
HQ: 2x Panther, BergePz III
4x Panther
Full Gepanzerte Aufklarungs(7x PzFaust/MG, 1x Tankhunter, 5x 250/1)
2x 234/1
2x Wespe, PzIVJ OP Tank (Rof 1 main gun/Cautious Mov't)

Fuhrer Grenadier Panzer Kompanie: CT Guards (Reroll plt/co morale)
HQ: 2x Panther
3x Panther
3x Panther
3x Panther
Halftrack Recon: 1x 250/1, 2x 250/9

Fuhrer Begleit Panzer Kompanie: CV Guards (Reroll plt/co morale)
Remer: 3+ morale/ 2+ Stormtroop/ 2+ to hit to anything he joins in assualt (e.g. RT= superheros)
HQ: 2x PzIV/70A (slow/overloaded FA 8/ AT 14 gun), 1x BergePanzer III
3x PzIV/70A (slow/overloaded FA 8/ AT 14 gun)
5x PzIVJ
3x StuH42 with Tankos (CT, not guards)
2x 8rads (CT)
Volksgren (RT) 5x PzFaust/R/MG, 1x PzShreck
3x 15cm Nebs (Reluctant Trained)

KG Pieper: FT; optional auto-attack:
HQ: 2x Tiger II
2x Tiger II
4x PZIVJ (can spearhead)
2x Puma
2x 234/1
1x Skorzeny Komando


« Last Edit: January 01, 2017, 01:15:25 AM by winterwolf8601 »

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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2017, 01:03:43 AM »
US:

Gliders of Doom: CV Infantry
HQ: 1x SMG, 1x Carbine
Glider Rifle plt: 7x Rifles, 4x Bazookas, 1x 60mm mortar
Glider Rifle plt: 5x Rifles, 3x Bazookas, 1x 60mm mortar
TD platoon: 4x Hellcats
TD platoon: 4x Hellcats
Para AT plt: 3x 57mm, 1x Carbine (FV)
Para AA plt: 2x .50cal AA gun, 1x Carbine (FV)
Glider battery: 3x 105mm light howitzers, carbine, staff, op
Glider battery: 3x 105mm light howitzers, carbine, staff, op
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2017, 11:14:12 AM »
The obvious first one is your iconic list, and you always have fun with it. Why not play that one?
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2017, 03:50:41 PM »
You have 5 German and 1 US list.  I think any of them would work well.  I would recommend setting them in some sort of order, and simply roll a d6 to see which one to use.
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2017, 05:51:07 PM »
The KG Pieper list looks like a fun list that can win.

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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2017, 08:55:21 PM »
I like the Panzer 4 horde and the KG Peiper lists personally. Panthers are cool but on the attack with side armor 5 and trained sounds frustrating.
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 12:52:48 PM »
In addition to the 150th Panzerbrigade list, This is the other German Lists I am thinking of using.

2nd Panzer Div to the Meuse

Panzerkompanie HQ   
1 StuG G (late)
100 points

COMBAT PLATOONS
Panzer Platoon   
3 StuG G (late)
295 points

Gepanzerte Aufklärungs Platoon   
1 Cmd Panzerfaust SMG team
6 Panzerfaust MG team
7 Sd Kfz 250
1 Tank-hunter team
335 points

Panzer Platoon   
3 StuG G (late)
295 Points

SUPPORT PLATOONS
Assault Gun Platoon (2.)   
3 StuG G
285 Points
Panzerspäh Platoon (2.)   
4 Sd Kfz 234/2 (Puma)
200 points

Panzer Rocket Launcher Battery (2.)   
1 Cmd SMG team
1 Observer Rifle team
1 Kubelwagen
3 15cm NW41
105 points

Self-propelled Anti-aircraft Gun Platoon   
2 Sd Kfz 10/5 (2cm) (armoured)
80 Points

Platoon Count: 8
1695 Points
       
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 08:37:09 PM »
Chris, go with 150th they are real good at 1700(i think). Also Stugs don't get Spearhead in a Panzers to the meuse list.

I think 150th is best something like this:

HQ: 2x SMG/Pzfaust, 2x 250/1
4x Erzatz Panther
4x Erzatz Stug
SS-FJ plt: 1 SMG/Pzfaust, 9x R/MG
3x Puma (could be downgraded to greyhounds which if the 250/1s are dropped lets you add a second Skorzeny Kommando, or air instead of both Kommandos
Skorzeny Kommando

At the moment I'm leaning toward FBB Panzer Ko. with Remer. Almost same number of tanks as Pz. Lehr to the meuse, 5 of em have FA 8 and an AT 14 gun allowing frontal kills against most things and to be able to go toe to toe with AT guns, and 3 of them are Breakthrough guns although being trained need to be more careful with them(Remer might help here; 4+ ST becomes 2+ ST). Infantry and recon aren't as good though
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2017, 12:22:36 AM »
Your 150 Brigade list is neat, but, I am somewhat limited with availability of models.  I only have three Ersatz StuGs, but I have five Ersatz Panthers.  I have the SS Jager platoon and captured US trucks, but not the SS Falschirmjagers.  I have both the Pumas and the captured M8 Greyhounds.  Two Skorzeney commando teams, and the ME 262  Sturmvogel.  I also have a Heavy Mortar platoon, and a Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier platoon kitted out in winter colors for this force.

So, I have tinkered a bit and am still working on it.  As to the 2nd Panzer list.  I know the StuGs don't get a spearhead move, but with the Gepanzerte Aufklarung platoon, I get a Spearhead move and the list becomes auto attack.  It comes down to 8 platoons (2nd Panzer) vs 4 platoons (150th Panzer)
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2017, 01:00:53 PM »
Here's a 150th Panzer list I worked out this morning.

50. Panzerbrigade Kampfgruppe HQ (SS)   
1 Cmd SMG team
1 Cmd Panzerfaust SMG team
2 Captured Jeep
65 points

COMBAT PLATOONS
Ersatz Panther Platoon (Heer) 
CONFIDENT  VETERAN
4 Ersatz Panther
730 points

Ersatz StuG Platoon (Heer)   
CONFIDENT  VETERAN
3 Ersatz StuG
285 points

SS-Jäger Platoon (SS)   
1 Cmd Panzerfaust SMG team
6 Rifle/MG team
2 Captured truck
200 points

WEAPONS PLATOONS
Skorzeny Commando Group 
1 Skorzeny Commando team
50 points

150. Gepanzerte Panzergrenadier Platoon (Heer)   
CONFIDENT  VETERAN
1 Cmd Panzerfaust SMG team
4 Captured M3 half-track
6 MG team
230 points

SUPPORT PLATOONS
Ersatz Panzerspäh Platoon (Heer) 
CONFIDENT  VETERAN
3 Captured M8 Greyhound
135 points
Platoon Count: 5
1695 points
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2017, 11:01:03 PM »
other than the 5 platoons I like it alot...

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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 11:04:16 PM »
What about dropping the SS-Jagers and adding 2 stugs or one panther?

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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 11:28:28 PM »
Can't.  List has to have 1 SS combat platoon as the HQ is SS. 
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2017, 12:54:53 AM »
Ugh that's annoyingly listed on there in a semi-hidden place....

It should really just say you must have one SS-FJ plt or SS-Jager platoon as there's no other SS-platoons
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Re: List for Battle of the Bulge
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2017, 05:44:21 PM »
Ugh that's annoyingly listed on there in a semi-hidden place....

It should really just say you must have one SS-FJ plt or SS-Jager platoon as there's no other SS-platoons

Yeah I know.  But, it is was it is.  Either 4 platoons and or 5, it's still a small force.
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